Friday, February 7, 2025

Ezekiel’s imagery borrowed by Plato and Aeschylus?

by Damien F. Mackey “Herder has called [Ezekiel] the AEschylus and Shakespeare of the Hebrews …”. Ezekiel appropriated by the Greeks? (i) Plato One instance of this may be Ezekiel’s Merkabah vision, picked up, perhaps, in Plato’s Phaedrus: https://www.john-uebersax.com/plato/plato3.htm THE Chariot Allegory of Plato, which appears in the Phaedrus, is a very important part of the Western — and World — spiritual and philosophical tradition. It presents a rich metaphor for the soul and its journey. Everyone with a soul should read it! The soul is portrayed as a compound of three components: a charioteer (Reason), and two winged steeds: one white (spiritedness, the irascible element, boldness) and one black (the appetitive element, concupiscence, desire). The goal is to ascend to divine heights — but the black horse poses problems. The chariot image arguably supplies a better tripartite model of the human psyche than Freud's divisions of ego, id and super-ego, However the chariot itself is just the beginning; the story of its journeys is a revealing allegory of the spiritual or philosophical life. …. [End of quote] Prophet Ezekiel and Plato’s ‘Myth of Er’ Traces of Ezekiel’s famous ‘merkabah’ vision of the wheels within wheels may perhaps be found towards the end of Plato’s Republic, in the mysterious Myth of Er. IMAGE: WHEELS WITHIN WHEELS (Ezekiel 1 and 3) The prophet Ezekiel tells of what he saw (1:15-17): As I looked at the living creatures, I saw a wheel on the earth beside the living creatures, one for each of the four of them. As for the appearance of the wheels, and their construction: their appearance was like a gleaming of beryl; and the four had the same form, their construction being something like a wheel within a wheel. When they moved they moved in any of the four directions without veering as they moved. …. Ezekiel would encounter these whirling creatures again at the river Chebar, in captivity, when he said (3:15): “I came to the exiles at Tel-abib, who lived by the river Chebar. And I sat there among them stunned for seven days” (note this is exactly what Job’s three friends had done as well, Job 2:13). Here is the prophet’s full account of it (Ezekiel 3:12-21): Then the spirit lifted me up, and as the glory of the Lord rose from its place, I heard behind me the sound of loud rumbling; it was the sound of the wings of the living creatures brushing against one another, and the sound of the wheels beside them, that sounded like a loud rumbling. The spirit lifted me up and bore me away; I went in bitterness in the heat of my spirit, the hand of the Lord being strong upon me. I came to the exiles at Tel-abib, who lived by the river Chebar. And I sat there among them stunned for seven days. At the end of the seven days, the word of the Lord came to me: Mortal, I have made you a sentinel for the house of Israel; whenever you hear a word from my mouth, you shall give them warning from me. If I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die’, and you give them no warning, or speak to warn the wicked from their wicked way, in order to save their life, those wicked persons shall die for their iniquity; but their blood I will require at your hand. But if you warn the wicked, and they do not turn from their wickedness, or from their wicked way, they shall die for their iniquity; but you will have saved your life. Again, if the righteous turn from their righteousness and commit iniquity, and I lay a stumbling block before them, they shall die; because you haven’t warned them, they shall die for their sin, and their righteous deeds that they have done shall not be remembered; but their blood I will require at your hand. If, however, you warn the righteous not to sin, and they do not sin, they shall surely live, because they took warning; and you will have saved your life. Myth of Er Now let us see what (as I think) Plato might have done to this inspired text, in the ‘Myth of Er’, at the end of the Republic, with Ezekiel, replaced by the messenger, Er; Er being the soul of a dead person come to life, whereas Ezekiel had been in spirit lifted out of his body. And Er being set apart as a messenger to the dead as they choose their destiny, whereas Ezekiel, set apart as the prophet-sentinel, is amongst the exiled living, calling them to righteousness over evil (Republic, 614): [Er] said when his soul left its body it travelled in company with many others till they came to a wonderfully strange place, where there were, close to each other, two gaping chasms in the earth, and opposite and above them two other chasms in the sky. Between the chasms sat Judges, who, having delivered judgement, ordered the just to take the right-hand road that led up through the sky, and fastened the badge of their judgement in front of them, while they ordered the unjust, who carried the badges of all that they had done behind them, to take the left-hand road that led downwards. When Er came before them, they said that he was to be a messenger to men about the other world, and ordered him to listen to and watch all that went on in that place. As to the Glory of God and the wheels within wheels, a famous image from Ezekiel, Plato again tells of something very similar. It is what he calls the ‘spindle of Necessity’, and is eschatological like Ezekiel. And the seven day period is there also, as in Ezekiel (Republic, Bk. 10, 615): ‘After seven days spent in the meadow the souls set out again and came on the fourth day to a place from which they could see a shaft of light running straight through earth and heaven, like a pillar, in colour most nearly resembling a rainbow, only brighter and clearer; after a further day’s journey they entered the light and could then look down its axis and see the ends of it stretching from heaven, to which they were tied; for this light is the tie-rod of heaven which holds its whole circumference together like the braces of a trireme [a Greek boat]. And to these ends is fastened the spindle of Necessity, which causes all the orbits to revolve; its shaft and its hook are of adamant, and its whorl a mixture of adamant and other substances. And the whorl is made in the following way. Its shape is like the ones we know; but from the description Er gave me we must suppose it to consist of a large whorl hollowed out, with a second fitting exactly into it, the second being hollowed out to hold a third, the third a fourth, and so on up to a total of eight, like a nest of bowls. For there were in all eight whorls, fitting one inside the other, with their rims showing as circles from above and forming a continuous surface of a single whorl round the shaft, which was driven straight through the middle of the eighth…’. Er’s “Forgetful river”, where the souls were all encamped (ibid., 620), has probably taken the place of the river Chebar, where Ezekiel was living amongst the exiles. Whereas Er seems to be amongst the dead, Ezekiel - who does in fact have a vision of dead bones becoming en-fleshed again (Ezekiel 37:1-14) - is a prophet to the living, with the portfolio from God to warn the evildoers. Ezekiel’s account of the good who turn to evil, and the evil who turn to good, may have been picked up in the Greek version as souls choosing in what form they will come back, whether as tyrants or as virtual saints. Now, Justin Martyr had given consideration to this famous Platonic myth: The Myth of Er Justin is quoting from Plato's The Republic book 10. It is the very last section of the Republic where Socrates is relating to Glaucon a story about the fate of souls after death. The story is known as the myth of Er. A description is given of a man called Er son of Armenius from Pamphylia and his journey into the realm of the dead. In his journey he was shown how Souls were judged, how they had to pay back 10 fold for all that they did on earth. Halliwell introduces the myth. The myth of Er belongs to a great 'family' of Platonic eschatological visions, whose other members are the myths found in the Gorgias; Phaedo, and Phaedrus... Few will dispute that the interpretation of all these passages must take as primary frame of reference Plato's own attitudes to myth ...Yet the myth of Er contains an especial number of elements ¬- starting with Er’s name itself - which stimulated inquiries into Plato's sources" (Halliwell 1988,169) "the rewards and punishments experienced during human life cannot compare with those which await us after death. Socrates explains the nature of these by relating the story of Er, a Pamphylian soldier who returned to life and told of what his soul had witnessed in the other world" (Halliwell 1988, 169). Having seen many Er comes to the place where the souls were permitted to choose their next life on earth. This process was overseen by ones who were called the three daughters of Necessity (Thugateras tees Anagkees), being Lachesis, Clotho and Atropos who can be seen in the writings of Hesiod and Pindar. They were first named by Hesiod (Ferguson, 118). They were singing in tune with a Siren which was making a single sound. Lachesis sung of the past, Clotho of the present and Atropos of the future. Our main interest is in Lachesis as it is her words which Justin quotes. She is called the Disposer of Lots or She who allots. Her name can also be an appellative for lot or destiny as in Herodotus (LS 1978, 466). Lachesis sang of the past and when it was time for souls to choose their next life on earth, they would be lined up by a prophet to appear before Lachesis. They could choose their life in order of the lots they received. They would each choose a daimon to go through their life with them. A daimon is sometimes synonymous with a god as in Homer, but sometimes considered inferior as in Hesiod where it is between God and man. In the myth of Er they are attendant (Ferguson, 120) or guardian spirits. We will let Socrates relate the rest of this event: From the lap of Lachesis he (the prophet) took numbers for drawing lots and patterns of lives. Ascending a high platform (beema), he began to speak: “The word of the maiden Lachesis, daughter of Necessity. Souls, creatures of the day, here begins another cycle of mortal life and death it brings. Your guardian spirit will not be given to you by lot. You will choose a guardian spirit for yourselves. Let the one who draws the first lot be the first to choose a life. He will then be joined to it by Necessity. Virtue knows no master. Your respect or contempt for it will give each of you greater or smaller share. The choice makes you responsible God is not responsible" -Aitia elomenou. Theos anaitios …. It is the last four words spoken by the prophet as the word of Lachesis, which Justin Martyr quotes to indicate Plato took them from Moses and uttered {eipe} them. These then are the four words under investigation. …. Justin's claim that these four words came from Moses to Plato. [End of quote] The discussion after this goes beyond our interest. I inserted a part of it here simply to demonstrate that a Platonic Myth, whose origin I think might lie with the prophet Ezekiel, was discussed by Justin Martyr in terms of a possible Hebrew-biblical connection. There is also an interesting – but rather difficult and perhaps occasionally far-fetched – article in which comparisons are made of the mathematics of Plato and that attributed to Ezekiel: https://www.scribd.com/document/395416431/The-Forgotten-Harmonical-Science-of-the-Bible The forgotten harmonical science of the Bible Ernest G. McClain Here is a portion of it (# 3): Both Ezekiel and Plato project their arithmetic into similar concentric circles, “a wheel in a wheel,” functioning as the throne of an idealized heaven. Plato’s analysis of 5,040 fits many of Ezekiel’s metaphors and thus facilitates decoding the sameness and difference between nascent Greek science and traditional Jewish wisdom. This is the cross-cultural ambiance in which Philo was educated and about which he wrote with equal passion for Greek learning and for his own religion, which shared the same models. The music of the synagogue embodied their union and freed his soul to roam where it would. The two musical modes decoded from Bible numerology have proved to be associated historically with the mode of the Torah (Greek Dorian) and the mode of the Prophets (Greek Phrygian) in ways Philo helps us understand; they are the two modes Plato admitted in model cities.16,17 The importance of the priestly 7-year calendrical cycle is emphasized in Ezekiel 39:10 where God insists that after his destruction of Israel’s enemies the country will have no “need to take wood out of the field or cut down any out of the forests” for a period of seven years, “for they will make their fires of the weapons” of warfare. I analyze the tonal content in 5,040 “days plus nights” as furnishing Jewish “weapons” of spiritual warfare not merely on this circumstantial biblical evidence but because this also follows Jewish philosophical precedent. …. [End of quote] The Greeks often absorbed Hebrew and Near Eastern culture and civilization, mythology and folklore, and re-presented it as their own. Every later generation does this sort of thing, of course. Perhaps it is more true to say that western scholars have given credit to the Greeks - the civilization with which they especially identify (we find Socrates and his friends holding gentlemanly-like discussions, ‘My dear chap …’) - for culture, ideas, inventions, philosophies, laws, you name it, that actually arose from the more ancient nations of the Fertile Crescent (Egypt, Syro-Palestine, Mesopotamia). Much has been attributed to the Greeks that did not belong to them. Take architecture, for example. Egyptologist Sir Henry Breasted made the point that Queen Hatshepsut’s marvellous temple structure, “The Most Splendid of Splendours” at Deir el-Bahri, near Thebes, was a witness to the fact that the Egyptians developed architectural styles for which the later civilization of Greeks would be accredited as the originators (A History of Egypt, 1924, p. 274). (ii) Aeschylus Is Aeschylus, the so-called “Father of Tragedy”, yet another of such Greek appropriations, in his case of the Hebrew prophet Ezekiel with whom he is so frequently compared? The Pulpit Commentary, considering Ezekiel 18:1-4: The word of the LORD came to me: “What do you people mean by quoting this proverb about the land of Israel: “‘The parents eat sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge’? “As surely as I live, declares the Sovereign LORD, you will no longer quote this proverb in Israel. For everyone belongs to me, the parent as well as the child—both alike belong to me. The one who sins is the one who will die”. interestingly likens the prophet Ezekiel to “the Greek poet who was likest to him”, to Aeschylus: http://biblehub.com/commentaries/pulpit/ezekiel/18.htm …. Ezekiel was led, however, to feel that there was a latent falsehood in the plea. In the depth of his consciousness there was the witness that every man was personally responsible for the things that he did, that the eternal righteousness of God would not ultimately punish the innocent for the guilty, he had to work out, according to the light given him, his vindication of the ways of God to man, to sketch at least the outlines of a theodicy. Did he, in doing this, come forward as a prophet, correcting and setting aside the teaching of the Law? At first, and on a surface view, he might seem to do so. But it was with him as it was afterwards with St. Paul He "established the Law" in the very teaching which seemed to contradict it. He does not deny (it would have been idle to do so) that the sins of the fathers are visited upon the children, i.e. affect those children for evil. What he does is to define the limits of that law. And he may have found his starting point in that very book which, for him and his generation, was the great embodiment of the Law as a whole. If men were forbidden, as in Deuteronomy 24:16, to put the children to death for the sins of the fathers; if that was to be the rule of human justice, - the justice of God could not be less equitable than the rule which he prescribed for his creatures. It is not without interest to note the parallelism between Ezekiel and the Greek poet who was likest to him, as in his genius, so also in the courage with which he faced the problems of the universe. Aeschylus also recognizes ('Agam.,' 727-756) that there is a righteous order in the seeming anomalies of history. Men might say, in their proverbs, that prosperity as such provoked the wrath of the gods, and brought on the downfall of a "woe insatiable;" and then he adds – "But I, apart from all, Hold this my creed alone." And that creed is that punishment comes only when the children reproduce the impious recklessness of their fathers. "Justice shines brightly in the dwellings of those who love the right, and rule their life by law." Into the deeper problem raised by the modern thought of inherited tendencies developed by the environment, which itself originates in the past, it was not given to Ezekiel or Aeschylus to enter. [End of quotes] Aeschylus is thought to have been born around 525 BC, which was also the approximate era (conventionally speaking) of the prophet Ezekiel. The name “Aeschyl[us]” I would consider to be simply a Grecised version of the Hebrew name, “Ezekiel” of the same phonetics. And, as we have already found with certain supposed Greek notables (statesmen, philosophers), such as Thales, Empedocles, Pythagoras, Solon – who, I have argued, were actually ghostly representations of real Hebrew geniuses, Joseph, Moses, Solomon - ‘little is known’ about them. To give some examples: Thales: “Not much is known about the philosopher’s early life, not even his exact dates of birth and death”. Heraclitus: “Little is known about his early life and education, but he regarded himself as self-taught and a pioneer of wisdom”. Empedocles: “Very little is known about his life”. And so we read once again, now regarding Aeschylus (my emphasis) http://www.ancient-literature.com/greece_aeschylus.html There are few reliable sources for the life of Aeschylus. He was said to have been born in about 525 or 524 BCE in Eleusis, a small town just northwest of Athens. As a youth, he worked at a vineyard until, according to tradition, the god Dionysus visited him in his sleep and commanded him to turn his attention to the nascent art of tragedy. [End of quote] That is hardly encouraging! It is probably, I think, a late recollection of the call of the Hebrew prophet, Ezekiel, who certainly lived through a time of great tragedy for Judah, culminating in that greatest of all catastrophes, the Fall of Jerusalem to the Babylonians and the destruction of the Temple of Yahweh. Not surprising, then, that we read of Aeschylus as being “like a Hebrew prophet”. Thus, for instance (Seneca and Elizabethan Tragedy, pp. 8-9): “Aeschylus the prophet, the soldier of the Great War who found Athens [read Jerusalem] becoming estranged, as a generation grew up that knew neither him nor it, wrestling with the problem of World-governance alone like a Hebrew prophet ...”. And, according to James Orr (The International Standard Bible Encyclopedia): “Herder, with his undeniable and undenied fine appreciation of the poetry of many nations, calls Ezekiel “the Aeschylus and the Shakespeare of the Hebrews” (compare Lange's Commentary on Ezk, 519). Hebrew Influence Upon Aeschylus? “Aeschylus seems to have had an intimate knowledge of Hebrew theology, for instance, he wrote “Prometheus Bound” Wherein he seems to be familiar with the Exodus wanderings, the Law Covenant, and the idea of the Messiah”. John R. Salverda. Damien Mackey to John R. Salverda Dear John …. The name Aeschylus (“Father of Tragedy”) has struck me as a Greek version of Ezechiel (Eschyl = Ezchil) [i.e., without the Greek ending -us, -os]. And apparently a writer named Herder has actually referred to Ezechiel as an 'Aeschylus': .... Whedon - Commentary on Ezekiel-Daniel www.westbrookewesleyan.org/wesleyan-docs/.../WHD_CO08.PDFYou .... .... by DD Whedon - 2002 .... "Herder has called him the AEschylus and Shakespeare of the Hebrews, while Schiller wished to study Hebrew chiefly because he longed to read Ezekiel in his [language]". Any ideas there? …. Dear Damien, I too hope to loosen up your audience to the idea of a discussion, they think that they have nothing to add, but they could be wrong about that. Sometimes even what a person believes is a trifling remark can spark a significant idea in another. The process of “discussion” can be a very important one. Now, as to the equation of the names “Ezekiel” and “Aeschylus.” In my opinion they are almost certainly transliterations of the same name. The Hebrew prophet Ezekiel lived only about one hundred years before the Greek playwright Aeschylus (conventionally speaking); and the Greek culture and people were heavily influenced and populated by Israelites, in my view. As to the idea that they might be one and the same person; I would still need to be convinced of that. …. Never-the-less I do have some ideas that do tend to support the notion. Aeschylus seems to have had an intimate knowledge of Hebrew theology, for instance, he wrote “Prometheus Bound” wherein he seems to be familiar with the Exodus wanderings, the Law Covenant, and the idea of the Messiah. With only but a small fraction of what he wrote available to us today, (he wrote about an hundred plays but only less than ten have survived,) it is a bit difficult to tell what he may have been preaching to those ancient Greeks. So far as I know he was the first Greek mythographer to link “the wanderings of Io” (the Jew), with Prometheus, the creator of man who was “bound” to his mountain (God bound by contract/ covenant to Sinai). Aeschylus has Io, driven by a divinely ordained plague (gadfly) wander to the mountain of Prometheus, where he tells her that he will be freed from his “bindings” (covenant) by a descendant (the Messiah, by whom he means Heracles) of hers, thirteen generations hence. Re-read my article on Io (at http://westerncivilisationamaic.blogspot.com/2012/01/more-on-moses-as-hermes.html ) surely Aeschylus was relating traditions that he was fully familiar with. I hope that this is of some help to you in your researches, but I must say, that Ezekiel seems to be more focused upon the future return of the tribes of Israel to join with Judah (Eze. 37:15). He does speak of the Exodus (Chapter 20) but not in the terms of God being “bound” to the covenant, to him the people were bound, but broke the covenant. He mentions David (thirteen generations from Abraham) in Messianic terms four times, but usually as a future Messiah who rules over the “re-gathered” Israel. He speaks of a future "peace covenant" without mentioning the dissolution of the old covenant at Sinai. .... [End of quote] For Luke the Evangelist’s potential personal involvement with what he describes here: ‘Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting me? It is hard for you kicking against the goad’. Acts 26:14 see my series: Luke may be Paul’s healer, Ananias of Damascus (6) Luke may be Paul’s healer, Ananias of Damascus Luke may be Paul's healer, Ananias of Damascus. Part Two: St. Luke kept returning to Damascus incident (6) Luke's Repeated References to Damascus Luke may be Paul's healer, Ananias of Damascus. Part Three: Benedictus "… redacted in a Semitic language" (6) Luke may be Paul's healer, Ananias of Damascus. Part Three: Benedictus "… redacted in a Semitic language" Was Luke quoting here from Aeschylus, or perhaps from one or other of the Greco-Roman poets, tragedians or comedians who supposedly used this very phrase, kicking against the goad[s]? Greek: sklhron soi proV kentra laktizein According to Carsten Peter Thiede (The Jesus Papyrus: The Most Sensational Evidence on the Origins of the Gospels Since the Discovery of the Dead Sea Scrolls (2000) on this very point, Luke’s use of the phrase: This is an unmistakable allusion to one of the most popular cycles of Greek tragedy, the Oresteian trilogy by Aeschylus which is still frequently performed today. In the first of three tragedies, Agamemnon, Aegisthus says to the Chorus (vv. 1623-4): ‘Does not this sight bind you reflect? Then do not kick / Against the goad, lest you should strike out, and be hurt’. The central point of this passage, the kicking against the goad (pròs kéntra me láktize), occurs in a less recognizable context elsewhere in Aeschylus’ writing, in his tragedy Prometheus (v. 235). It was also used in a similar form … by Euripides in Bacchae (v. 795). Even a Latin comedian, Terentius, employs it in his play Phormio (vv. 77-8): ‘The word came to my mind: For what stupidity it is for you to kick against the goad’ (Nam quae inscitia est? Advorsum stimulum calces). We can also add the Greek lyric poet, Pindar, to this list of apparent users of this phrase. We do know that St. Paul himself had quoted from Greek poetry, for example Acts 17:28: here addressed to the men of Athens. And it has been suggested that Jesus Christ himself may have been familiar with Greco-Roman theatre from having lived in close proximity to Sepphoris: https://itsgila.com/highlightssepphoris.htm Seventeen times the word "hypocrites" appears in the Gospels, and three times in the Sermon on the Mount. Where would Jesus, growing up in the small village of Nazareth, have come into contact with “hypocrites,” a Greek word for actors who wore masks, (thus having two faces)? Perhaps five miles away in Sepphoris. Perched like a bird (tzippor in Hebrew) on a Galilee hilltop, Sepphoris (Hebrew: Tzippori) is an hour’s walk from Nazareth, Jesus’ hometown. During Jesus’ childhood, Sepphoris was the provincial capital of Galilee and the city where the villagers took care of their official business. It had a theater which seated about 3,000 spectators. Bible scholar and archeologist Jerome Murphy O’Connor believes that after returning from Egypt, Joseph and Mary settled in Nazareth precisely because of its proximity to Sepphoris. After 3 BC, Sepphoris was the center of a building boom, providing work opportunities for artisans such as Joseph. Did Jesus have a hand building the theater of Sepphoris, just reconstructed for us? Perhaps. Could he have been a spectator here to a tragedy, comedy or farce? Jesus was an observant Jew and followed the precepts of the rabbis for whom the theater represented a way of life that was external, hedonistic and above all, pagan. Yet undoubtedly Jesus knew what went on at a theater. …. [End of quote] But see also my article: New identification argued for Nazareth https://www.academia.edu/44103122/New_identification_argued_for_Nazareth It would seem more likely to me that Jesus, a Hebrew-speaking Jew: Jesus would have spoken Hebrew with a Galilean accent https://www.academia.edu/33200844/Jesus_would_have_spoken_Hebrew_with_a_Galilean_accent would here have been - consistent with his normal practice - referring to teachings from the Hebrew Old Testament, from King Solomon perhaps. For example: (Ecclesiastes 12:11): “The words of the wise are like goads, their collected sayings like firmly embedded nails—given by one shepherd”. (Proverbs 13:15): “The way of the unfaithful is hard”. (Proverbs 15:10): “Stern discipline awaits him who leaves the path”.

Wednesday, January 22, 2025

Zakir Naik’s apologetical tactic meant to embarrass Christians

by Damien F. Mackey “Where did Jesus say, ‘I am God, worship me,’ in those exact words?” Muslim apologetics According to Christian apologist Dr. Jay Smith: “Dr. Zakir Naik is probably the most dangerous man in the world today to Christianity because he brings hundreds of thousands of people to Islam”. However, Dr. Zakir Naik’s simple but ingenious tactic, that he is teaching to his followers to use to confront Christians, has recently been exposed, and the word is now that Dr. Naik and his followers are avoiding debate with certain astute Christians. His methodology is like that of his renowned colleague, Sheikh Ahmed Deedat: force your opponent to answer a question that has been carefully framed. Dr. Zakir Naik, for instance, will press the question: “Where did Jesus say, ‘I am God, worship me,’ in those exact words?”, knowing that “those exact words” are not to be found anywhere in the Bible. Astute Christians such as David Wood American evangelical apologist David Wood is an American evangelical apologist, philosopher and YouTube personality, who is the head of the Acts 17 Apologetics ministry, which he co-founded with Nabeel Qureshi. He also runs Foundation for Advocating Christian Truth, which is the organization behind AnsweringMuslims.com. Wood is known for his criticism of Islam, particularly Islamic views on theology and morality, as well as the Quran in general, hadith, sīrah and Muhammad. Answering Dr. Zakir Naik on Where did Jesus say 'I am God, worship me' … David Wood https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsHdhvDB6qc and Sam Shamoum: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pLshDsK-Vw Zakir Naik Is RUNNING From Debating Sam Shamoun on Islam and Christianity have seen right through this apologetical sleight-of hand so that now Moslems who have been schooled in using this approach are reluctant to engage with the pair. Sam Shamoum has also written on the subject (2012): http://www.answeringmuslims.com/2011/06/where-did-jesus-say-i-am-god-worship-me.html Where Did Jesus Say, "I Am God, Worship Me"? The Qur’an commands Christians to judge by the Gospel: Qur’an 5:47—“Let the people of the Gospel judge by what Allah hath revealed therein. If any do fail to judge by (the light of) what Allah hath revealed, they are (no better than) those who rebel.” Thus, when Christians present their beliefs, it makes sense for Muslims to ask, “Could you show us where the Bible says that?” Christians should therefore be eager to present evidence from the Gospel, because Muslims cannot condemn us for doing what the Qur’an commands. Indeed, since the Qur’an affirms not only the Gospel, but also the Torah (Qur’an 5:43), Muslims cannot ignore what the Bible says without thereby rebelling against Islam. Muslims around the world are being trained to ask Christians, “Where did Jesus say, ‘I am God, worship me,’ in those exact words?” However, if Muslims are suggesting that Jesus could only claim to be God by uttering a specific sentence, we may reply by asking, “Where did Jesus say, ‘I am only a prophet, don’t worship me,’ in those exact words?” The unreasonable demand for a particular statement, if applied consistently, would thus force Muslims to reject their own view! Fortunately, we have a simple way to examine what Jesus said about himself. According to both the Bible and the Qur’an, there are certain claims that only God can truly make. For instance, God alone can correctly state that he created the universe. Of course, a mere human being can pronounce the words, “I created the universe,” but the statement would be false coming from anyone other than God. Hence, if Jesus said things that can only truly be said by God, we must conclude that Jesus claimed to be God. Interestingly, Jews, Christians, and Muslims agree on many of the claims that cannot be properly made by (or about) mere human beings. Let us consider a few of these. THE FIRST AND THE LAST Surah 57:3 of the Qur’an refers to Allah as “the First and the Last, the Most High and the Most Near.” The Old Testament agrees that God is the “First and the Last,” as we read in the Book of the prophet Isaiah: Isaiah 44:6—Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel and his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: “I am the first and I am the last, and there is no God besides Me.” When “LORD” is written in all capitals in the Old Testament, the term refers to Yahweh, the creator of the universe. Since both the Bible and the Qur’an give the title “the First and the Last” to God, it should be quite shocking for Muslims to open the New Testament and read Revelation 1:17-18, where Jesus says: “Do not be afraid; I am the first and the last, and the living One; and I was dead, and behold, I am alive forevermore, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.” Would a mere prophet claim to be the “First and the Last”? WHO FORGIVES SINS? While one human being may sin against another human being, there is a sense in which all sin is rebellion against God. Similarly, while you and I may forgive one another for the wrongs we commit, only God can offer ultimate forgiveness. Thus, the prophet David could say to God, “Against You, You only, I have sinned and done what is evil in Your sight” (Psalm 51:4), and the Prophet Daniel could declare, “To the Lord our God belong compassion and forgiveness, for we have rebelled against Him” (Daniel 9:9). The Qur’an agrees that ultimate forgiveness belongs to God, for it asks, “Who can forgive sins except Allah?” (3:135). It might surprise Muslims to learn that, in the New Testament, Jesus claims the ability to forgive sins. In Mark 2, a paralyzed man is brought to Jesus in order to be healed. Jesus’ response leads the religious leaders to accuse him of blasphemy: Mark 2:5-7—And Jesus seeing their faith said to the paralytic, “Son, your sins are forgiven.” But some of the scribes were sitting there and reasoning in their hearts, “Why does this man speak that way? He is blaspheming; who can forgive sins but God alone?” The scribes correctly recognized that only God can forgive sins. Yet Jesus (who referred to himself as the “Son of Man”), knowing their thoughts, replied that “the Son of Man has authority on earth to forgive sins” (Mark 2:10). He then healed the paralytic, proving that his claims were true. THE LIGHT In Psalm 27:1, the prophet David proclaims: “The LORD is my light and my salvation.” Similarly, the Qur’an declares that “Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth” (24:35). Yet Jesus tells his listeners that he is “the Light”: John 8:12—“I am the Light of the world; he who follows Me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the Light of life.” THE TRUTH The prophet David refers to Yahweh as the “God of Truth” (Psalm 31:5). According to the Qur’an, “Allah is the Truth” (22:6). Jesus, however, applies this as a title for himself: John 14:6—Jesus said to him, “I am the way, and the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father but through Me.” How can a mere human being claim to be “The Truth”? THE FINAL JUDGE In Chapter 3 of the Book of the prophet Joel, Yahweh declares that the nations will be gathered and that he “will sit to judge all the surrounding nations” (v. 12). According to the prophet David, “the LORD abides forever; He has established His throne for judgment, and He will judge the world in righteousness” (Psalm 9:7-8). The Qur’an maintains that Allah will judge the world, rewarding believers and punishing unbelievers: Qur’an 22:56-57—The kingdom on that day shall be Allah’s; He will judge between them; so those who believe and do good will be in gardens of bliss. And (as for) those who disbelieve in and reject Our communications, these it is who shall have a disgraceful chastisement. So why, we may wonder, would Jesus tell his followers that he will be the final judge of all people? Matthew 25:31-32—“But when the Son of Man comes in His glory, and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on His glorious throne. All the nations will be gathered before Him; and He will separate them from one another, as the shepherd separates the sheep from the goats.” Jesus goes on to say that he will admit certain people to heaven and cast others into hell. Isn’t this something only God can do? THE RESURRECTION The Bible and the Qur’an agree that God is the one who will raise the dead. 1 Samuel 2:6—The LORD kills and makes alive; He brings down to Sheol and raises up. Qur’an 22:7—Allah will resurrect those who are in the graves. Since God will raise the dead at the resurrection, why would a mere prophet tell his followers that he will resurrect the dead? John 5:25-29—“Truly, truly, I say to you, an hour is coming and now is, when the dead will hear the voice of the Son of God, and those who hear will live. For just as the Father has life in Himself, even so He gave to the Son also to have life in Himself; and He gave Him authority to execute judgment, because He is the Son of Man. Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.” John 11:25—Jesus said to her, “I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies.” GOD’S GLORY The Qur’an tells us that “Whatsoever is in the heavens and the earth glorifies Allah” (57:1). In the Old Testament, we find that Yahweh will not share his glory with anyone. Isaiah 42:8—“I am the LORD, that is My name; I will not give My glory to another.” (Cf. Isaiah 48:11—“My glory I will not give to another.”) Yet Jesus claimed, not only that he would be glorified with the Father, but that he had glory with the Father before the world was created! John 17:5—“Now, Father, glorify Me together with Yourself, with the glory which I had with You before the world was.” How can anyone see this as anything other than a claim to deity? FURTHER EVIDENCE In Mark 2:28, Jesus calls himself the “Lord of the Sabbath.” In Matthew 22:41-45, he proves that he is the Lord of the prophet David. In John 8:39-58, Jesus says that he has seen the prophet Abraham. In Matthew 12:6, Jesus claims to be greater than God’s Temple. Jesus tells us that he has an absolutely unique relationship with the Father (Matthew 11:27), that he can answer prayers (John 14:13-14), that he is present wherever his followers are gathered (Matthew 18:20), that he has “all authority in heaven and on earth” (Matthew 28:18), and that he is with his followers forever (Matthew 28:20). He even makes the startling declaration that “All things that the Father has are Mine” (John 16:15). According to Jesus, all people must honor him just as we honor the Father: John 5:21-23—“For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes. For not even the Father judges anyone, but He has given all judgment to the Son, so that all will honor the Son even as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.” Since one of the ways we honor the Father is by worshiping him, it should come as no surprise that Jesus’ followers worshiped him on numerous occasions. Indeed, the Gospel tells us that Jesus was worshiped throughout his life: shortly after his birth (Matthew 2:11), during his ministry (Matthew 14:33, John 9:38), after his resurrection (Matthew 28:17), and after his ascension to heaven (Luke 24:52). Jesus’ disciple Thomas even addressed him as “my Lord and my God” (John 20:28). ASSESSMENT Where did Jesus say, “I am God, worship me”? As we have seen, Jesus claimed to be the First and the Last, the forgiver of sins, the Light, the Truth, the Final Judge, and the Resurrection. Jesus proclaimed that he had glory with the Father before the world was created, that he is the Lord of the Sabbath and of King David, that he had seen Abraham, and that he is greater than God’s Temple. Jesus has a unique relationship with the Father, he can answer prayers, he is with his followers no matter where they are, he has total authority on earth and in heaven, he is with his followers forever, and he owns everything. Jesus even demanded that he be honored just as the Father is honored. Clearly, these are not the claims of a mere human being. They are not even the claims of a mighty prophet. These are claims only God can truly make. This is why Christians believe that Jesus is God. POSTSCRIPT: THE ISLAMIC DILEMMA Since the Bible obviously supports the Christian view of Jesus, Muslims who want to deny the deity of Christ will have to argue that the Gospel has been corrupted. But if the Gospel has been corrupted, why does the Qur’an command Christians to judge by the Gospel? By commanding us to judge by what we find in the Gospel, the Qur’an has inadvertently ordered Christians to reject Islam! But it gets worse for Muslims. The Qur’an affirms the inspiration and reliability of the Christian Scriptures (3:3-4, 5:47, 5:66, 7:157, 10:94), as well as man’s inability to corrupt God’s Word (6:114-115, 18:27). Muslims therefore cannot reject what the Gospel says, which leaves them with quite a dilemma. If the Gospel is reliable, Islam must be false, since the Gospel presents Jesus as God. Alternatively, if the Gospel is unreliable, Islam must be false, because the Qur’an tells us that the Gospel is the Word of God. Either way, Islam is false, and anyone who is searching for the truth will never find it in the Qur’an.

Wednesday, January 15, 2025

Nabataeans, so-called Umayyads, and the Lycians

by Damien F. Mackey “… it is not surprising to postulate that the Nabataeans reached Lycia which is located within the Mediterranean basin, an area which had close links with the Nabataeans”. Zeyad al-Salameen The so-called Umayyad Caliphate, which is customarily dated to c. 660-750 AD, has been exposed by genuine archaeology as belonging, instead, to the approximate time of Jesus Christ. On this, see e.g. my article: Dumb and Dumbfounded archaeology (5) Dumb and Dumbfounded archaeology This is also the era of the highly influential Nabataeans, whom professor Gunnar Heinsohn (RIP) had actually identified as Umayyad. On this, see e.g. my article: Supposed C7th-C8th AD Umayyads belong to the Roman Nabataean era (5) Supposed C7th C8th AD Umayyads belong to the Roman Nabataean era The implications of this Umayyad revision, if correct, are mind-bogglingly enormous. In one stroke, stratigraphical archaeology will have wiped out (1) the traditional Mohammed (as a C7th AD character); (2) the closely associated Rashidun Caliphate; and, of course, (3) the Umayyad Caliphate: Oh my, the Umayyads! Deconstructing the Caliphate (5) Oh my, the Umayyads! Deconstructing the Caliphate Obviously this is sufficient to take out traditional Islam at its very roots! Money had nothing to do with the Fall of the Golden Age of Islamic intellectualism, because there never, ever, was such a Golden Age. THE FALL OF THE GOLDEN AGE OF ISLAM – It’s All About the Money. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8P6V_AXqCMU On this, see e.g. my article: Melting down the fake Golden Age of Islamic intellectualism (2) Melting down the fake Golden Age of Islamic intellectualism Whoops, there goes the famous Abbasid Caliphate (c. 750-1260 AD, conventional dating) as well! And there goes Baghdad Madinat al-Salam (“City of Peace”) along with it: Original Baghdad was Jerusalem (2) Original Baghdad was Jerusalem From I Maccabees 5:24-25 we learn that the Nabataeans were contemporaneous with the Jewish Maccabees: Judas Maccabeus and his brother Jonathan crossed the Jordan and made three days’ journey into the wilderness. They encountered the Nabateans, who met them peaceably and told them all that had happened to their kindred in Gilead. Though the Maccabees are conventionally dated to c. 170 BC, significantly before the time of Jesus Christ, I, however, would have Judas Maccabeus as an older contemporary of the Christ Child: Shepherds of Bethlehem and the five Maccabees (3) Shepherds of Bethlehem and the five Maccabees Lycian connection Zeyad al-Salameen has written about “THE NABATAEANS AND LYCIANS” as follows: (3) The Nabataeans and Lycians …. In 2003 the author had the opportunity to discuss the Nabataean relations with other people with professor John Healey who hinted that there was a possible link between the Lycians, who inhabited the southwestern parts of Anatolia by the early first millennium and spoke an Indo-European language and the Nabataeans, who had settled in the northern part of Arabia around the fifth-fourth centuries B.C. (for the geographical locations of Nabataea and Lycia, see, Map 1). This paper will try, therefore, to comprehend this possible link archaeologically. Before we proceed we should identify the Lycians and Nabataeans. WHO WERE THE LYCIANS? The "Lycians" is a name given to the people who inhabited Lycia which is located on the southwestern coast of Asia Minor in Anatolia. It is mentioned in many historical sources. Herodotus states that the Lycians came from Crete under Serapedon, probably through Miletus (Histories 1). They were named after Lycus, the son of Pandion II, king of Athens who was exiled by his brother Aegeus and settled among the Termilae (The Geography of Strabo 14:3.10). Homer states that the Lycian contingent fighting at Troy was said to have been led by two esteemed warriors: Sarpedon and Glaucus (Iliad II). I Macc. 15:23 mentions that Lycia was among the recipients of a letter from the Roman consul Lucius Piso in the second century B.C. regarding the Roman alliance with the Jews. Lycia was under the control of the Persian Empire in 546 B.C. when one of the generals of Cyrus II conquered Asia Minor and they ruled Lycia until 468 BC. Later, it was conquered by Alexander the Great in 333 BC. In 309 BC Ptolemy took over Lycia and during this period Greek culture, art and language were adopted by the Lycians. In 197 B.C. Antiochus III conquered Lycia and the Lycians were granted freedom in 169 BC. Lycia became a Roman province in 46 A.D. Under the Roman rule, Lycia enjoyed relative independence until the time of Augustus (for more details see, Childe 1981: 55-80). The remaining ruins include many rock-cut tombs and dating from the 5th Century B.C. The Lycians cut their tombs in the rock and these tombs bear inscriptions (see for example Schweyer 2002). Almost all the tomb inscriptions are written in two different languages: Greek, which can be dated to the first three centuries of the Roman Empire and Lycian, which are older that the Greek and can be dated to the fifth and fourth centuries B.C. (Pembroke 1965:218). WHO WERE THE NABATAEANS? They were a group of Arabian tribes who settled in Northern Arabia and the southern parts of the Levant during the fifth-fourth centuries B.C. During the period between the second century B.C. and the first century A.D. they established a kingdom that covered modern Jordan, northern Arabia, southern Syria and southern Palestine. Their kingdom came to an end in A.D. 106 when it was annexed to the Roman Empire by Trajan (Bowersock 1970: 37-47) Mackey’s comment: But see my proposed earlier dating of Trajan: Hadrianus Traianus Caesar - Trajan transmutes to Hadrian (3) Hadrianus Traianus Caesar - Trajan transmutes to Hadrian Zeyad al-Salameen continues: Petra, the Nabataeans' capital, was an active commercial metropolis receiving goods from various producers such as Arabia, India, East Africa and China. These commodities were then to be distributed to other nations. Archaeological fieldworks in Nabataea provide ample evidence for international and regional interaction. Pottery, coins and inscriptions have been found outside Nabataea including Southern Arabia, the Arabia Gulf, the Mediterranean basin and Italy (For more details see al-Salameen 2004: 45ff). Eastwards the Nabataeans probably reached India, China and Charax. Westwards they reached Greece and Rome and northwards they seem to have reached Phoenicia and Anatolia, as we shall discuss below. Nabataeans are known as merchants who worked as middlemen who controlled and monopolized the trade of aromatics, which were highly prized by the ancients. These commodities were highly esteemed by the Romans, Greeks, Chinese, Charecenes and possibly the Lycians. The location of Nabataean and Lycia both help to flourish this trade. Nabataea’s strategic location made it a bridge between the "producers" and the "consumers" of these merchandises. Additionally, the main incense trade passed via these territories. Lycia, on the other hand, was located on the main trade routes between Cyprus and the Levant in the east; Greece and the Anatolian coast in the west; and Egypt to the south (Keen 1998: 31-33). It is located also close to the Greek islands which witnessed Nabataean activities (see map 1). A bilingual inscription was found in Miletus which is not far away from Lycia and dedicated by Syllaeus the Nabataean Minister during his visit to Rome during the last decade of the first century B.C.(Figure 1) (Cantineau 1978:46) Another dated Nabataean inscription was found in Cos island and dedicated the construction of a temple to the goddess al-‘Uzza (Roche 1996:79). Traces of a bilingual Nabataean-Greek inscription have also been discovered in Delos (Schmid 2004: 415-426). The letters of this inscription are somewhat unclear and only a few words can be read and refer to the Nabataean minister Syllaeus of Obodas and probably mention the Nabataean god Dushara (Figure 2) (Roche 1996:83-84). …. In the light of the aforementioned evidence it is not surprising to postulate that the Nabataeans reached Lycia which is located within the Mediterranean basin, an area which had close links with the Nabataeans. The legacy of the Nabataeans is mostly represented in religious heritage. Nabataean tombs and temples are scattered in many areas of their cities which indicate that religion and afterlife played an integral role in their belief. In this article I am not going to go into these aspects but will try to shed some light on the Nabataean tomb inscriptions and their similarities to the Lycian sepulchral inscriptions. Additionally, this paper will try to measure the range of Nabataean-Lycian architectural influence especially in terms of tomb architecture. ….

Tuesday, January 14, 2025

Jumpin’ Ji-had!

“The Armenian genocide, beginning in 1915, resulted in the death of around one and a half million Armenians, 700,000 Greeks, and 275,000 Assyrians. Says Spencer: “Christian communities that had existed since the beginning of Christianity were wiped out. Constantinople, fifty percent Christian even in 1914, is today 99.99 percent Muslim…. Adolf Hitler was impressed with the brutal efficiency of how the Turks answered their ‘Armenian question’.” Robert Spencer Robert Spencer, a clear and incisive speaker with a better-than-most understanding of Islam, has written some controversial books, such as this one, “Did Muhammad Ever Exist?” https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bDeXrbqHeDk The following is taken from a 2018 review of another of his books: https://billmuehlenberg.com/2018/11/21/a-review-of-the-history-of-jihad-by-robert-spencer/ A Review of The History of Jihad. By Robert Spencer. Posted onNov 21, 2018 Bombardier Books, 2018. Robert Spencer is a leading authority on Islam and the challenges and risks it poses to the free West – and the rest of the world. He has written numerous important volumes on Islam, creeping sharia, and Muslim terrorism. In his newest book he offers us a panoramic view of 14 centuries of Islamic bloodshed and killing. As he says in the introduction to his book: There is no period since the beginning of Islam that was characterized by large-scale peaceful coexistence between Muslims and non-Muslims. There was no time when mainstream and dominant Islamic authorities taught the equality of non-Muslims with Muslims, or the obsolescence of jihad warfare. There was no Era of Good Feeling, no Golden Age of Tolerance, no Paradise of Proto-Multiculturalism. There has always been, with virtually no interruption, jihad. Strong claims. But Spencer spends 400 pages documenting this in great detail. And all this is due to the life and teachings of Muhammad as recorded in the Qur’an, the hadiths, and the sira. Indeed, both of the major schools of Islam, Sunni and Shi’ite, fully affirm the need to kill the infidel if they refuse to convert or be subjugated. Islamic terror goes back to day one of Islam. As Muhammad said on his deathbed: “I have been made victorious with terror.” Spencer remarks, “It was a fitting summation of his entire public career.” Thus the first chapter of this vital book looks carefully at the role jihad played in the life of Islam’s founder. It is not a pretty read. Damien Mackey’s comment: It needs to be noted that Robert Spencer has, in his book, “Did Muhammad Ever Exist?”, queried the very historical existence of Mohammed, writing, there is "considerable reason to question the historicity of Muhammad." I, myself, have zero belief in the historical reality of Mohammed who was, as I have argued, a fictitious composite. See my various articles on the subject, including: Firmly standing by my opinion on Mohammed (5) Firmly standing by my opinion on Mohammed Robert Spencer continues: And since Muhammad is regarded as the perfect example for all Muslims to follow, his bloodthirsty ways were carefully emulated by his devout adherents ever since. Spreading the faith by the edge of the sword was forever to be standard Muslim practice. Thus by the end of the seventh century, just decades after Muhammad’s death, authoritarian Muslim control extended from North Africa to Central Asia. And the spread of Islam continued apace over the next few centuries. The conquest of Spain and India followed, and the body count continued to mount up. Damien Mackey’s comment: Some of the supposed ‘history’ that follows, needs to be, I think, subjected to some serious forensic scrutiny. Robert Spencer continues: So too did slavery, destruction, bloodshed and dhimmitude. The gory details of ruthless Islamic oppression in these and other regions are carefully related by Spencer, usually relying on accounts written during the time. And the many stories of the enslavement and persecution and pogroms against Christians and Jews make up a big part of all this. While the phrase ‘streets running with rivers of blood’ may involve some poetic license, more than once we read of this being the outcome of Islamic slaughter and carnage. For example, Spencer cites historian Steven Runciman regarding the fall of Constantinople in May of 1453: The Muslims “slew everyone that they met in the streets, men, women, and children without discrimination. The blood ran in rivers down the steep streets from the heights of Petra toward the Golden Horn. But soon the lust for slaughter was assuaged. The soldiers realized that captives and precious objects would bring them greater profit.” Or consider one contemporary Muslim account of the jihad against Hindus in India in the 14th century. Some 100,000 men had taken refuge on an island along with their families. The Muslims transformed “the island into a basin of blood by the massacre of the unbelievers…. Women with babies and pregnant ladies were haltered, manacled, fettered and enchained, and pressed as slaves into service at the house of every soldier.” The Islamic warlord Tamerlane, who actually penned an autobiography, spoke of his dilemma as to what to do with a large horde of Hindu prisoners. He went with an easy option, saying this: “One hundred thousand infidels, impious idolaters, were on that day slain.” Moving to more recent times, consider the treatment of the Christian Armenians. Late in 1894 a massacre lasting 24 days wiped out 25 villages. People were burned alive, and pregnant women were ripped open and their babies torn to pieces. But much worse was to come. The Armenian genocide, beginning in 1915, resulted in the death of around one and a half million Armenians, 700,000 Greeks, and 275,000 Assyrians. Says Spencer: “Christian communities that had existed since the beginning of Christianity were wiped out. Constantinople, fifty percent Christian even in 1914, is today 99.99 percent Muslim…. Adolf Hitler was impressed with the brutal efficiency of how the Turks answered their ‘Armenian question’.” He also looks at the Islamic war against Israel. He recounts how the Soviet KGB invented the fiction of the Palestinian people (there long had been a region known by the name of Palestine, but never a people or an ethnicity). The Soviets also helped to form the PLO and carefully mentored Arafat to do their bidding. Spencer quotes a PLO leader who said in 1977, “The Palestinian people does not exist. The creation of a Palestinian state was only a means for continuing our struggle against the state of Israel for our Arab unity.” He also discusses the formation of Hamas in 1988 and its determination to wipe Israel off the map. He brings things right up to date, looking at Al-Qaeda, the Islamic State, and September 11. And he reminds us how harmful policies of appeasement and Islamophilia have been in the West. For example, the Catholic church which was once on “the forefront of resistance to the jihad for centuries” has begun to cave, especially under the current Pope, who has become an avid defender of Islam and the Qur’an. And of course leaders like Obama were committed to being apologists for Islam, seeking to advance their cause at home and abroad. Thankfully today much of this is being turned around. As Spencer reminds us, “at its height, the Islamic State controlled a territory larger than Great Britain… [But] within a year of the beginning of the Trump presidency, the Islamic State had lost ninety-eight percent of its territory.” All up this book makes for sickening and gruesome reading. Here we have example after example of 1400 years of bloodshed, murder, rape, pillaging, enslavement and terror – all proudly and decidedly done in the name of Islam. The simple truth is this: the history of Islam is the history of jihad. When Muslim jihadists screaming “Allahu Akbar” mow down innocent men, women and children on the streets and sidewalks of Nice or London, or stab them to death in Brussels or Melbourne, they are simply doing what Islam has always done. Their acts of terrorism are simply a continuation of what Muhammad began, and what has always been the MO of the political ideology known as Islam. We all owe Robert Spencer a debt of gratitude for bringing together in one volume this stomach-turning but necessary story of what Islam really is all about. Just as there were countless “useful idiots” who promoted and made excuses for godless, totalitarian communism, so too there are also plenty of apologists for, and clueless defenders of, the deadly political ideology of Islam. Hopefully this book will help to change that to some extent.

Wednesday, January 8, 2025

Supposed C7th-C8th AD Umayyads belong to the Roman-Nabataean era

“The Greek language, adopted by the Nabataeans in the 1st c. CE, is –– with no discernible evolution –– employed some 700 years later for Umayyad inscriptions of the 8th century.”. Gunnar Heinsohn We read at: file:///C:/Users/Damien%20Mackey/Downloads/arabs-8th-century-heinsohn-04-2018%20(2).pdf the late professor Gunnar Heinsohn’s piece on: … Are Nabataean and Umayyad art styles really 700 years apart? So, who was capable to place 15 m deep cement foundations under Jerusalem's Umayyad palaces in front of the Temple Hill? Whose Arabic realm was located close enough to the Holy City to built [sic] there in such a massive way? Who were the Arabs well known for alliances with Jews (e.g., Maccabees against Seleucids)? Only the Nabataeans fit that profile. The Greek language, adopted by the Nabataeans in the 1st c. CE, is –– with no discernible evolution –– employed some 700 years later for Umayyad inscriptions of the 8th century. Umayyad soldiers were dressed in Greek fashion. They used the ballista (arradah) as artillery although its technology was more than 700 years old. At Tiberias, they are on record for having been stratigraphic bedfellows of 700 years earlier Romans, blossoming right after Hellenism of the 1st c. BCE: “During the course of a dig designed to facilitate the expansion of the Galei Kinneret Hotel, Hartal noticed a mysterious phenomenon: Alongside a layer of earth from the time of the Umayyad era (638-750[CE]), and at the same depth, the archaeologists found a layer of earth from the Ancient Roman era (37 B.C.E.-132[CE]). ‘I encountered a situation for which I had no explanation - two layers of earth from hundreds of years apart lying side by side’, says Hartal. ‘I was simply dumbfounded’.” (Barkat 2003). Damien Mackey’s comment: On this, see e.g. my article: Dumb and Dumbfounded archaeology (4) Dumb and Dumbfounded archaeology Reconstruction of several of the six Umayyad Palaces (with 15 m deep cement foundations) that were, completely unexpected, discovered in the 1970s near the Western and Southern walls of Jerusalem’s Temple Mount. Herodian, Roman, and Byzantine urban strata beneath the palaces are occasionally claimed but were never verified -- either here or anywhere else! Since no Abbasid palaces have been found super-imposed on Jerusalem’s Umayyad palaces (only Abbasid “repairs” are claimed), the two Early Medieval Arab dynasties must have overlapped in the 8th -10th century period. [http://siramuharafa.blogspot.com/2015/06/blog-post_3.html] [http://siramuharafa.blogspot.com/2015/06/blog-post_3.html] [Go to original article] Eventually, the Israeli scholars decided to invoke a geological miracle to obey Christian chronology and, at the same time, make sense of the stratigraphy of Tiberias. That mover of a higher order was identified as a mega-earthquake of 749 CE afflicting all the lands from Damascus to Egypt. With surgical precision that desaster [sic] had pushed the 1st c. BCE ff. Roman material upwards until it stopped precisely at the Umayyad level of the 7th/8th c. ff. CE. The Arab material, however, was kept in its position in such a wondrous manner that the Roman material was neither allowed to stop inappropriately below nor to move inappropriately above the Arab material believed to have arrived some 700 years later. Yet, all the stratigraphic evidence does really show (for the period preceding the catastrophe that drowned the 2nd/3rd. c. CE Roman theatre of Tiberias) is the contemporaneity of 7th/8th ff. c. CE Arabs and 1st c. BCE to 2nd c. CE Romans. Thus, Early Medieval Umayyads followed as directly after Late Hellenisms (=Late Roman Republic = Late Latène of the 1st c. BCE) as Roman Imperial Antiquity (1st-3rd c. CE). However, misled by their stern belief in textbook chronology archaeologists have, time and again, distorted the situation laid bare by excavations to match their pre-conceived dates. Yet, the time to allow stratigraphy its say may be closer than ever. A recent example for such fresh openness is provided by Bet Yerah on the southern tip of Lake Kinnereth. For decades, a large fortified enclosure on this site (sector SA on the map below) was misidentified as a synagogue from Byzantine Late Antiquity (4th6th c.). Yet fresh excavations completed in 2013 point to the Umayyad qasr (castrum) of al-Sinnabra from the Early Middle Ages (8th-10th c.). That fortress cuts through the site’s Hellenistic walls whose period is dated some 700 years earlier. Even the name of the place, Al-Sinnabra or Sinn en-Nabra (Umayyad Arabic), is still the same as in Hellenistic times (700 years earlier) when it was known as Sennabris (Greek): “Post-Hellenistic presence on Tel Bet Yeraḥ was quite limited in extent and did not produce massive deposits. Early excavators reported Roman remains, but virtually nothing of this period can be identified in the remaining collections. Byzantine occupation appears to be limited to the church excavated and published by Delougaz and Haines” (Greenberg/Tal/Da’adli 2017, 1). Contiguous Hellenistic and Early Islamic remains, supposedly 700 years apart, were excavated all over the site. In a sounding of tower four, “we found that its foundation trench cut several walls of Hellenistic and Early Bronze date”. The western wall of tower five “was founded on an earlier Hellenistic wall”. Tower six covered a “portion of a water channel that appears to have drained the fortified area. The soil inside the channel was reported to contain ‘Roman’ glass and pottery” (all quotes from Da’adli 2017 b). Such Roman remains of Imperial Antiquity (1st -3 rd c.) are, indeed, to be expected on top of Late Hellenism buildings (ending in the 1 st c. BCE). Yet, they are contemporary with the Umayyad Early Middle Ages (8th -10th c.), too. No less intriguing are the mosaics of the Umayyad audience basilica. Stratigraphically, they belong to Bet Yerah’s Imperial Antiquity (1st-3rd c. CE succeeding Hellenistic 1st c. BCE). Yet, they are very similar to Late Antique mosaics from “the second half of the fifth century CE” (Lower Chapel at Khirbat al-Mukhayyat [Mount Nebo]) as well as from “535-536” (Saint George at Kh. al-Mukhayyat). Finally, they resemble Early Medieval mosaics from the “eighth century CE” (Jabalal-Akhdar chapel at Amman) as well as the “eighth/ninth centuries” (Ramla; all quotes from Da’adli 2017 b). Thus, the mosaics belong to three periods at the same time: (1) Imperial Antiquity (in stratigraphy), (2) Late Antiquity (in style), and (3) Early Middle Ages (in style). They can do this only if all three periods represent facets of the 8th-10th c. time-span. A search for Arabs of the Hellenistic period, directly preceding 700 years later Ummayads, in and around Israel/Palestine, again, lands at the Nabataeans. Though they acted as vital players between Egypt and Syria, they were suddenly and mysteriously forgotten around the 1st/2nd c. CE. No less mysteriously striking similarities between images of Nabataean and Umayyad sculptures over a 700-year period have long been seen by art historians (e.g., Avi-Jonah 1942). Indeed, there are "close relations between the art of Ahnas and the Nabataean sculptural school reflected at Khirbat et Tannur. Despite the time gap between the sites, this affinity cannot be fortuitous" (Talgam 2004,100). ….

Sunday, January 5, 2025

What has the Saudi government been up to at Mecca and Medina?

“Photographs obtained by The Independent reveal how workers with drills and mechanical diggers have started demolishing some Ottoman and Abbasid sections on the eastern side of the Masjid al-Haram in Mecca”. Taken from: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/the-photos-saudi-arabia-doesn-t-want-seen-and-proof-islams-most-holy-relics-are-being-demolished-in-mecca-8536968.html The photos Saudi Arabia doesn't want seen – and proof Islam's most holy relics are being demolished in Mecca Archaeologists fear billion-pound development has led to destruction of key historical sites Jerome Taylor Friday 15 March 2013 …. The authorities in Saudi Arabia have begun dismantling some of the oldest sections of Islam’s most important mosque as part of a highly controversial multi-billion pound expansion. Photographs obtained by The Independent reveal how workers with drills and mechanical diggers have started demolishing some Ottoman and Abbasid sections on the eastern side of the Masjid al-Haram in Mecca. The building, which is also known as the Grand Mosque, is the holiest site in Islam because it contains the Kaaba – the point to which all Muslims face when praying. The columns are the last remaining sections of the mosque which date back more than a few hundred years and form the inner perimeter on the outskirts of the white marble floor surrounding the Kaaba. The new photos … have caused alarm among archaeologists …. Many of the Ottoman and Abbasid columns in Mecca were inscribed with intricate Arabic calligraphy marking the names of the Prophet Muhammad’s companions and key moments in his life. One column which is believed to have been ripped down is supposed to mark the spot where Muslims believe Muhammad began his heavenly journey on a winged horse, which took him to Jerusalem and heaven in a single night. To accommodate the ever increasing number of pilgrims heading to the twin holy cities of Mecca and Medina each year the Saudi authorities have embarked upon a massive expansion project. Billions of pounds have been poured in to increase the capacity of the Masjid al-Haram and the Masjid an-Nabawi in Medina which marks where Muhammad is buried. King Abdullah has put the prominent Wahabi cleric and imam of the Grand Mosque, Abdul Rahman al-Sudais, in charge of the expansion while the Saudi Binladin Group – one of the country’s largest firms – has won the construction contract. While there is little disagreement over the need to expand, critics have accused the Saudi regime of wantonly disregarding the archaeological, historical and cultural heritage of Islam’s two holiest cities. In the last decade Mecca has been transformed from a dusty desert pilgrimage town into a gleaming metropolis of skyscrapers that tower over the Masjid al-Haram and are filled with a myriad of shopping malls, luxury apartments and five star hotels. …. But such a transformation has come at a cost. The Washington-based Gulf Institute estimates that 95 per cent of Mecca's millennium-old buildings have been demolished in the past two decades alone. Dozens of key historical sites dating back to the birth of Islam have already been lost and there is a scramble among archaeologists and academics to try and encourage the authorities to preserve what little remains. Many senior Wahabis are vehemently against the preservation of historical Islamic sites that are linked to the prophet because they believe it encourages shirk – the sin of idol worshipping. But Dr Irfan al-Alawi, executive director of the Islamic Heritage Research Foundation which obtained the new photographs from inside the Grand Mosque, says the removal of the Ottoman and Abbasid columns will leave future generations of Muslims ignorant of their significance. “It matters because many of these columns signified certain areas of the mosque where the Prophet sat and prayed,” he said. “The historical record is being deleted. A new Muslim would never have a clue because there’s nothing marking these locations now. There are ways you could expand Mecca and Medina while protecting the historical heritage of the mosque itself and the surrounding sites.” There are signs that King Abdullah has listened to concerns about the historical destruction of Mecca and Medina. Last October The Independent revealed how new plans for the masjid an-Nabawi in Medina would result in the destruction of three of the world’s oldest mosques on the west hand side of the main complex. However new plans approved by King Abdullah last week appear to show a change of heart with the bulk of the expansion now slated to take place to the north of the Masjid an-Nabawi. However key sites are still at risk. The Independent has obtained a presentation used by the Saudis to illustrate how the expansion of Mecca’s main mosque will look. In one of the slides it is clear that the Bayt al-Mawlid, an area which is believed to be the house where Muhammad was born in, will have to be removed unless plans change. The Independent asked the Saudi Embassy in London a number of questions about the expansion plans and why more was not being done to preserve key historical sites. They replied: “Thank you for calling, but no comment.” And we read at: https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/medina-saudis-take-a-bulldozer-to-islam-s-history-8228795.html Medina: Saudis take a bulldozer to Islam's history Authorities are building a mosque so big it will hold 1.6m people – but are demolishing irreplaceable monuments to do it Jerome Taylor Friday 26 October 2012 …. Three of the world’s oldest mosques are about to be destroyed as Saudi Arabia embarks on a multi-billion-pound expansion of Islam’s second holiest site. Work on the Masjid an-Nabawi in Medina, where the Prophet Mohamed is buried, will start once the annual Hajj pilgrimage ends next month. When complete, the development will turn the mosque into the world’s largest building, with the capacity for 1.6 million worshippers. But concerns have been raised that the development will see key historic sites bulldozed. Anger is already growing at the kingdom’s apparent disdain for preserving the historical and archaeological heritage of the country’s holiest city, Mecca. Most of the expansion of Masjid an-Nabawi will take place to the west of the existing mosque, which holds the tombs of Islam’s founder and two of his closest companions, Abu Bakr and Umar. Just outside the western walls of the current compound are mosques dedicated to Abu Bakr and Umar, as well as the Masjid Ghamama, built to mark the spot where the Prophet is thought to have given his first prayers for the Eid festival. The Saudis have announced no plans to preserve or move the three mosques, which have existed since the seventh century and are covered by Ottoman-era structures, or to commission archaeological digs before they are pulled down, something that has caused considerable concern among the few academics who are willing to speak out in the deeply authoritarian kingdom. “No one denies that Medina is in need of expansion, but it’s the way the authorities are going about it which is so worrying,” says Dr Irfan al-Alawi of the Islamic Heritage Research Foundation. “There are ways they could expand which would either avoid or preserve the ancient Islamic sites but instead they want to knock it all down.” Dr Alawi has spent much of the past 10 years trying to highlight the destruction of early Islamic sites. With cheap air travel and booming middle classes in populous Muslim countries within the developing world, both Mecca and Medina are struggling to cope with the 12 million pilgrims who visit each year – a number expected to grow to 17 million by 2025. The Saudi monarchy views itself as the sole authority to decide what should happen to the cradle of Islam. Although it has earmarked billions for an enormous expansion of both Mecca and Medina, it also sees the holy cities as lucrative for a country almost entirely reliant on its finite oil wealth. Heritage campaigners and many locals have looked on aghast as the historic sections of Mecca and Medina have been bulldozed to make way for gleaming shopping malls, luxury hotels and enormous skyscrapers. The Washington-based Gulf Institute estimates that 95 per cent of the 1,000-year-old buildings in the two cities have been destroyed in the past 20 years. In Mecca, the Masjid al-Haram, the holiest site in Islam and a place where all Muslims are supposed to be equal, is now overshadowed by the Jabal Omar complex, a development of skyscraper apartments, hotels and an enormous clock tower. To build it, the Saudi authorities destroyed the Ottoman era Ajyad Fortress and the hill it stood on. Other historic sites lost include the Prophet’s birthplace – now a library – and the house of his first wife, Khadijah, which was replaced with a public toilet block. Neither the Saudi Embassy in London nor the Ministry for Foreign Affairs responded to requests for comment when The Independent contacted them this week. But the government has previously defended its expansion plans for the two holy cities as necessary. It insists it has also built large numbers of budget hotels for poorer pilgrims, though critics point out these are routinely placed many miles away from the holy sites. Until recently, redevelopment in Medina has pressed ahead at a slightly less frenetic pace than in Mecca, although a number of early Islamic sites have still been lost. Of the seven ancient mosques built to commemorate the Battle of the Trench – a key moment in the development of Islam – only two remain. Ten years ago, a mosque which belonged to the Prophet’s grandson was dynamited. Pictures of the demolition that were secretly taken and smuggled out of the kingdom showed the religious police celebrating as the building collapsed. The disregard for Islam’s early history is partly explained by the regime’s adoption of Wahabism, an austere and uncompromising interpretation of Islam that is vehemently opposed to anything which might encourage Muslims towards idol worship. In most of the Muslim world, shrines have been built. Visits to graves are also commonplace. But Wahabism views such practices with disdain. The religious police go to enormous lengths to discourage people from praying at or visiting places closely connected to the time of the Prophet while powerful clerics work behind the scenes to promote the destruction of historic sites. Dr Alawi fears that the redevelopment of the Masjid an-Nabawi is part of a wider drive to shift focus away from the place where Mohamed is buried. The spot that marks the Prophet’s tomb is covered by a famous green dome and forms the centrepiece of the current mosque. But under the new plans, it will become the east wing of a building eight times its current size with a new pulpit. There are also plans to demolish the prayer niche at the centre of mosque. The area forms part of the Riyadh al-Jannah (Garden of Paradise), a section of the mosque that the Prophet decreed especially holy. “Their excuse is they want to make more room and create 20 spaces in a mosque that will eventually hold 1.6 million,” says Dr Alawi. “It makes no sense. What they really want is to move the focus away from where the Prophet is buried.” A pamphlet published in 2007 by the Ministry of Islamic Affairs – and endorsed by the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, Abdulaziz al Sheikh – called for the dome to be demolished and the graves of Mohamed, Abu Bakr and Umar to be flattened. Sheikh Ibn al-Uthaymeen, one of the 20th century’s most prolific Wahabi scholars, made similar demands. “Muslim silence over the destruction of Mecca and Medina is both disastrous and hypocritical,” says Dr Alawi. “The recent movie about the Prophet Mohamed caused worldwide protests... and yet the destruction of the Prophet’s birthplace, where he prayed and founded Islam has been allowed to continue without any criticism.” Mecca and Medina in numbers 12m The number of people who visit Mecca and Medina every year 3.4m The number of Muslims expected to perform Hajj (pilgrimage) this year 600,000 The current capacity of the Masjid an-Nabawi mosque 1.6m The projected capacity of the mosque after expansion

Suspect archaeology of Mecca

Access is being denied to certain key archaeological sites and finds. 1. We read of it in the case of Göbekli Tepe in Turkey and we saw the photos: World Economic Forum puts lid on Gobekli Tepe (2) World Economic Forum puts lid on Gobekli Tepe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2BXsMgp8KLc The Gobekli Tepe “Situation” is WORSE Than I Thought 2. We read of it in the case of Ebla in Syria, for example: Scandal of Ebla https://www.academia.edu/67727873/Scandal_of_Ebla 3. And Dr. Jay Smith has told of the same sort of thing happening in relation to Mecca and Medina. Read also this article: What has the Saudi government been up to at Mecca and Medina? https://www.academia.edu/126799391/What_has_the_Saudi_government_been_up_to_at_Mecca_and_Medina Agenda-driven powers that be, or local authorities, are concreting over, censoring, and taking away reasonable access to, some highly significant archaeological sites. In light of all this, I (Damien Mackey) was interested to come across an article (2021) by Daniel Janosik, entitled, “If Mecca Did Not Exist in the Time of Muhammad, then Who Was Muhammad and Where Did He Live?”, in which the author deals with the archaeology of Mecca – similar to what I have heard on Dr. Jay Smith’s videos. Here are some relevant parts of that important article: (2) If Mecca Did Not Exist in the Time of Muhammad, then Who Was Muhammad and Where Did He Live Introduction Muslims claim that Muhammad was born in Mecca and the earliest parts of the Qur’an were revealed to him there. Indeed, without Mecca the whole story of Muhammad would have to be re-evaluated and the very foundations of Islam would have to be questioned. However, recent archaeological and historical research calls into question whether Mecca even existed in the traditional time of Muhammad (570-632 AD). There are no archaeological artifacts from Mecca until the 8th century AD, the first direct mention of Mecca in external literature occurs in 741 AD, and the first time Mecca is listed on a map of the Middle East was 900 AD. Mackey’s comment: Dr. Jay Smith, too, will, like this author, refer to the C7th, C8th and C9th’s AD as if this were relevant. In the context of the non-existent Mohammed and, e.g., the Umayyad Caliphate, however, I find that this only confuses the very things that they are hoping to clarify. See e.g. my article: Oh my, the Umayyads! Deconstructing the Caliphate https://www.academia.edu/117122001/Oh_my_the_Umayyads_Deconstructing_the_Caliphate Daniel Janosik continues: Indeed, if Mecca did not exist in the early 7th century, then who was Muhammad and from where did he come? This paper will consider the Muslim evidence for the existence of Mecca in light of the research of a number of recent scholars who have suggested that Mecca was probably neither a center of trade nor a religious center or pilgrimage site in the 7th century. One issue for consideration is that the geographical descriptions of the city of the prophet in the Qur’an do not match up with the barren landscape of Mecca. Furthermore, the qiblas, or the direction of prayer in the mosques, did not point to Mecca until 727 AD. The evidence also may indicate that Muhammad probably did not have anything to do with Mecca, especially since it may not have even existed at that time. Finally, a mounting body of evidence suggests that the Nabataean kingdom of Petra in Northeast Arabia might have actually been the center of the origin of Islam, and Muhammad a much different religious leader than the one traditionally portrayed by Islam. Muslim Claims about Mecca Muslims believe that Mecca is the “mother of all cities” (Q. 6:92; 42:7) and tradition states that it goes back to the first home for Adam and Eve after they were cast out of heaven (Q. 7:24). Later, around 2,000 BC, Abraham and his eldest son, Ishmael, repaired the Ka’ba in order to worship God (Q. 21:51-71). Subsequently, according to Islam, in the time before Muhammad, Mecca had become a center of idolatry during the “Age of Ignorance.” To correct this injustice and put man on the “right path,” Allah raised up the prophet Muhammad, and through his leadership the city was restored as a center of Muslim worship as well as the most important city in the Islamic world. Muslims claim that Muhammad lived in Mecca from 570 AD to 622 and died in Medina in 632. Islamic tradition states that after his death all mosques began to face Mecca. Muslims also claim that Mecca was the center of trade and caravans would take a detour from the main route in order to worship at the Ka’ba. If all of this is true, Mecca should be one of the best known and best documented cities in history. Even though the name “Mecca” is only mentioned in the Qur’an once (Q. 48:24), Muslims believe that inferences to “Mecca” in the Qur’an and the Hadith indicate that the city is not only the center of Islam, but also the center of history. Therefore, many anonymous and indistinct references to locations mentioned in the Qur’an are assumed to refer to Mecca. For example, as mentioned above, Muslims believe that [Mecca] … is the “mother of all settlements,” or the “mother of all cities” (Q. 6:92; 42:7), and therefore must have existed from the time of Adam and Eve (Q. 7:24). They also believe that [Mecca] is also referred to as “the place of the prophet” (assuming that the “prophet” must refer to Muhammad), and has a number of geographical and vegetative characteristics that are listed in the Qur’an. These inferences describe [Mecca] as being in a valley with a parallel valley (Ibn Hisham; Al Bukhari 2:645, 2:685, 3:891, 2:815, 2:820, 4:227), with a stream near the Ka’ba (Al Bukhari 2:685), with ruins outside the city, and a pillar of ‘salt’ nearby (Q. 37:133-138; referring to Lot’s wife). The city is also surrounded by fields (Al Bukhari 9:337), has trees (Sahih al-Tirmidhi 1535), including olive trees (Q. 6:141; Q. 16; Q. 80), grass (al Bukhari 9:337), fruit (Al Bukhari 4:281), clay and loam (Al Tabari VI 1079 p.6). The city is also described as having mountains close enough so that they overlook the Ka’ba (Ibn Hisham; Al Bukhari 2:645, 2:685, 3:891, 2:815, 2:820, 4:227). However, as we shall see later, the actual city of Mecca is not in a valley, and has none of these horticultural assets listed above, mainly because it is in a desert where it is just too arid and dry for these things to survive. Is it possible that the Qur’an and these Hadith are actually describing a different city in a location far away? The Standard Islamic Traditions also indicate that [Mecca] is the burial place of many of the biblical prophets. This list would include Adam and Eve, their son Seth, Ishmael, Noah, Hud (the great-great grandson of Noah), Salih (the grandfather of Hagar), the Queen of Sheba, the prophet Daniel, as well as up to 300 other prophets. According to the various sources, these people all would have lived for some time in Mecca, or died there. This would mean that parts of the Bible would come into question and the focus of the stories would need to be re-directed 600 miles further south. However, while there is much historical and archaeological evidence to corroborate the Biblical narrative, there is almost nothing to support these claims of Islam. In addition, if all these prophets died and were buried in Mecca, then where are their graves and their remains? …. The Archaeological Considerations Whenever new construction is considered in ancient cities like Jerusalem and Damascus, archaeologists are called in to make sure that historic sites are not disturbed, or, if discoveries are made of ancient artifacts, these records of the past can be collected and preserved. However, this apparently is not the case with Mecca. Recently, Muhammad’s traditional birthplace, the house of Khadija, Muhammad’s first wife, the house of Abu Bakr, as well as a number of the earliest known mosques and tombs have been destroyed in Mecca. In fact, an estimated 95% of the historic buildings in Mecca have been destroyed since 1985. …. The reason that is given is either that these historical sites are being destroyed so that Muslims will not worship them, or, more pragmatically, that these sites need to be removed in order to make more room for hotels, parking lots, and even bathrooms for the growing number of pilgrims swarming to Mecca during the annual Hajj. However, a more sinister reason may be that these earliest remnants of Muhammad and the origins of Islam in the city may be disappearing because they did not exist as early as the 6th or 7th century. The Saudi government does not allow archaeological work to be performed in Mecca or Medina. This may be simply a “coverup” for a lack of archaeological evidence that could be used to support the existence of Mecca in the time of Muhammad. When Dan Gibson, a veteran archaeologist of many years in the Middle East, attended a conference on Nabataean Studies in Petra in 2002, he asked leading archaeologists from Saudi Arabia and Jordan about the archaeological record in Mecca. He was very surprised when “they admitted there was no archaeological record in Mecca before 800 AD.” …. If this is an accurate assessment by the Arab archaeologists in regard to Mecca in the time of Muhammad, then the real reason for the destruction of so many of the historical sites that supposedly link back to Muhammad may be that these buildings and mosques did not exist in the 7th and 8th centuries …. Therefore, destroying evidence that would undermine the historicity of Islam would be necessary to protect their historical claims. Peter Townsend points out that Muslims accept the concept that “history underpins every aspect of Muslim faith.” …. However, Townsend also reminds us that “when we study the inscriptions, documents and archaeological evidence produced by Mecca’s Arab near-neighbors and the imperial powers that dominated the ancient Near-East (Babylonian, Assyrian, Persian, and Roman), we do not find a single reference to Mecca.” ….